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Mail From: Russell Maddock <(email redacted)>

Jarrid Gross (Yorba Linda, CA) wrote:
>
> In Europe, Sunbeam Talbot produced the Sunbeam Talbot Lotus,
> which was actually a Lotus 911 powered Dodge Omni, which used
> a 2.2 liter version of the above motor.

I think, Jarrid, you have your post-Rootes Talbots mixed up. The Talbot
Sunbeam family, of which the Lotus was a member, was derived from the
Hillman Avenger. It was the Talbot Horizon which was based on the
Omni/Plymouth Horizon as part of a Chrysler world car project. Despite
appearances to the contrary, the Horizon and Sunbeam were completely
different products (the Sunbeam had two less doors and IMO was better
looking). I have seen this error in many books.

See petrie.starway.net.au/~rmaddock/talsun.htm

Russ Maddock

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Mail From: Tom Hall <(email redacted)>

At 04:48 PM 4/24/97 +1000, you wrote:
>Jarrid Gross (Yorba Linda, CA) wrote:
>>
>> In Europe, Sunbeam Talbot produced the Sunbeam Talbot Lotus,
>> which was actually a Lotus 911 powered Dodge Omni, which used
>> a 2.2 liter version of the above motor.
>
>I think, Jarrid, you have your post-Rootes Talbots mixed up. The Talbot
>Sunbeam family, of which the Lotus was a member, was derived from the
>Hillman Avenger. It was the Talbot Horizon which was based on the
>Omni/Plymouth Horizon as part of a Chrysler world car project. Despite
>appearances to the contrary, the Horizon and Sunbeam were completely
>different products (the Sunbeam had two less doors and IMO was better
>looking). I have seen this error in many books.
>
>See petrie.starway.net.au/~rmaddock/talsun.htm
>
>Russ Maddock


Lets also remember that it was the Lotus Talbot, supported by the
ex-Rootes Competition Department and Des O'Dell that won the 1981 World
Rally Championship. The next year Audi entered the competion with 4 wheel
drive, and changed the whole game.

Tom Hall

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In a message dated 97-04-24 12:57:33 EDT, you write:

<<
I wonder how it compares to the Shelby GLH Omni of a few years back.
Faster, slower, handles better or worse? All Omni's are ugly no
matter what is done to them.


Jeff
>>

I checked the sale literature I have for these cars, and it states:

'82 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus '86 Shelby GLHS

0 - 60 7.5 sec. 0 - 60 6.7 sec.
123 Top Speed 130 Top Speed
150 HP 1/4 Mile 14.7 @ 94
154 Torque 175 HP
175 Torque

I can't speak for the Talbot, but I can for the Shelby, as I own two
( # 130 & # 131 ) of the 500 made. They are fast, very fast, stock
Tigers watch out.
But they are Omni's, what can I say.
Guy's in our local Dodge Shelby club are pumping 275 hp out of
2.2 turbo II engines with minor mods. Stock bottom ends, stock
turbos, reworked heads, 5 or 6 injectors.
5.0's don't stand a chance.
One guy runs mid 13's with an automatic trans in a Horizon!
The V8 Mopar club guys hate us front wheel drive guys.

The Shelby developes its power from a intercooled turbo motor,
while the Talbot does it with two Dellorto side draft carbs, its power
is pretty high up on the power band.

I wouldn't mind throwing one around for awhile.

Jim

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'Guy's in our local Dodge Shelby club are pumping 275 hp out of 2.2
turbo II engines with minor mods. Stock bottom ends, stock turbos,
reworked heads, 5 or 6 injectors.'

275 hp in a Omni/Horizon! You guys are smokin! Hope your life
insurance is paid up.

Jeff


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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Talbot Sunbeam Lotus
Author: (email redacted) at INTERNET
Date: 4/25/97 7:16 PM


In a message dated 97-04-24 12:57:33 EDT, you write:

<<
I wonder how it compares to the Shelby GLH Omni of a few years back.
Faster, slower, handles better or worse? All Omni's are ugly no
matter what is done to them.


Jeff
>>

I checked the sale literature I have for these cars, and it states:

'82 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus '86 Shelby GLHS

0 - 60 7.5 sec. 0 - 60 6.7 sec.
123 Top Speed 130 Top Speed
150 HP 1/4 Mile 14.7 @ 94
154 Torque 175 HP
175 Torque

I can't speak for the Talbot, but I can for the Shelby, as I own two
( # 130 & # 131 ) of the 500 made. They are fast, very fast, stock
Tigers watch out.
But they are Omni's, what can I say.

5.0's don't stand a chance.
One guy runs mid 13's with an automatic trans in a Horizon!
The V8 Mopar club guys hate us front wheel drive guys.

The Shelby developes its power from a intercooled turbo motor,
while the Talbot does it with two Dellorto side draft carbs, its power
is pretty high up on the power band.

I wouldn't mind throwing one around for awhile.

Jim

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'Guy's in our local Dodge Shelby club are pumping 275 hp out of 2.2
turbo II engines with minor mods. Stock bottom ends, stock turbos,
reworked heads, 5 or 6 injectors.'

275 hp in a Omni/Horizon! You guys are smokin! Hope your life
insurance is paid up.

Jeff


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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Talbot Sunbeam Lotus
Author: (email redacted) at INTERNET
Date: 4/25/97 7:16 PM


In a message dated 97-04-24 12:57:33 EDT, you write:

<<
I wonder how it compares to the Shelby GLH Omni of a few years back.
Faster, slower, handles better or worse? All Omni's are ugly no
matter what is done to them.


Jeff
>>

I checked the sale literature I have for these cars, and it states:

'82 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus '86 Shelby GLHS

0 - 60 7.5 sec. 0 - 60 6.7 sec.
123 Top Speed 130 Top Speed
150 HP 1/4 Mile 14.7 @ 94
154 Torque 175 HP
175 Torque

I can't speak for the Talbot, but I can for the Shelby, as I own two
( # 130 & # 131 ) of the 500 made. They are fast, very fast, stock
Tigers watch out.
But they are Omni's, what can I say.

5.0's don't stand a chance.
One guy runs mid 13's with an automatic trans in a Horizon!
The V8 Mopar club guys hate us front wheel drive guys.

The Shelby developes its power from a intercooled turbo motor,
while the Talbot does it with two Dellorto side draft carbs, its power
is pretty high up on the power band.

I wouldn't mind throwing one around for awhile.

Jim

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In a message dated 97-04-28 18:36:16 EDT, you write:

<<
275 hp in a Omni/Horizon! You guys are smokin! Hope your life
insurance is paid up.

Jeff
>>

The guys tell me that the 2.2 is good for about 325 hp, but the
Omni/Horizon chassis won't take much over 275 hp.

Jim

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(email redacted) wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-04-28 18:36:16 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> 275 hp in a Omni/Horizon! You guys are smokin! Hope your life
> insurance is paid up.
>
> Jeff
> >>
>
> The guys tell me that the 2.2 is good for about 325 hp, but the
> Omni/Horizon chassis won't take much over 275 hp.
>
> Jim


I am sorry, Jim, but you are technically incorrect. The chassis will
indeed "take" 325 hp. Now the brakes, wheels, tires, transmission,
axles, drive shaft, u-joints are a whole other kettle of fish. Of
course, if the weight of the source of the 325 hp is over 200 lbs., then
the suspension components are in trouble as well, and maybe the
cross-members. If, however, you intend to change direction from a
straight line, another set of restrictions apply.

<

Steve

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