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anyone have a set stock wheels for Tiger/Alpine?? For show only, Clyde
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Clyde,

Alpine and Tiger wheels are different. Aside from the obvious Alpine
only wire wheel, the solid wheels have a thicker center stamping on the
Tigers. I am sure Rootes would use either on the Alpine, depending on
stock, but only the thicker center on the Tiger. Weight and larger side
forces, ya' know.

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Clyde McLaughlin wrote:
> anyone have a set stock wheels for Tiger/Alpine?? For show only, Clyde
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IIRC one of the Tiger prototypes had Alpine wire wheels and the torque
broke the spokes.

Sreve R


---- Steve Laifman <(email redacted)> wrote:
> Clyde,
>
> Alpine and Tiger wheels are different. Aside from the obvious Alpine
> only wire wheel, the solid wheels have a thicker center stamping on the
> Tigers. I am sure Rootes would use either on the Alpine, depending on
> stock, but only the thicker center on the Tiger. Weight and larger side
> forces, ya' know.
>
> Steve
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> Clyde McLaughlin wrote:
> > anyone have a set stock wheels for Tiger/Alpine?? For show only, Clyde
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As another "data point", Tigers running stickier, contemporary rubber and
healthy motors have also been known to pull lug nuts through the stock
wheels...if you have any intention to engage in "spirited" driving, running stock
wheels is probably not a very good idea.


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IIRC one of the Tiger prototypes had Alpine wire wheels and the torque
broke the spokes

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I'm working on it. I currently have 4 wheels (one damaged) and no beauty rings or hubcaps. I have found a guy who wants to sell a complete set and intend to buy.
Next I'll need to find 4 bias ply Whitewalls, again as you say for show only.
I hear Coker Tire is the place to go for the tires.

Steve

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Steve,

Do you have the part numbers for the different wheels they must be different
right?

Ross

Subject: Re: [Tigers] stock wheels

Clyde,

Alpine and Tiger wheels are different. Aside from the obvious Alpine
only wire wheel, the solid wheels have a thicker center stamping on the
Tigers. I am sure Rootes would use either on the Alpine, depending on
stock, but only the thicker center on the Tiger. Weight and larger side
forces, ya' know.

Steve

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I have a set of the original X pattern beauty rings i would be willing to
part with as i now run 14" wheels and the brakes i have will not allow the
13 "steels


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Mail From: " Ron Fraser" <(email redacted)>

Alpine Parts list 6600992; Standard Road Wheel numbers:
1201200 up to B9107290
1210258 Superseded by 1214930
1214930 from B9107291 This is a Series II Alpine #

Tiger Parts List 6601131:
1214930

This would indicate that Road Wheel 1214930 was cut into production in 1961

The real questions here are;
1 Can we determine which part # is which road wheel?
2 Are there obvious differences between them?
3 Can we document what we find?

I know have 1 wheel that is marked 1214930 with a 64 date code.
I would need to check the rest for markings.

Ron Fraser

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] stock wheels


Steve,

Do you have the part numbers for the different wheels they must be different
right?

Ross

Subject: Re: [Tigers] stock wheels

Clyde,

Alpine and Tiger wheels are different. Aside from the obvious Alpine
only wire wheel, the solid wheels have a thicker center stamping on the
Tigers. I am sure Rootes would use either on the Alpine, depending on
stock, but only the thicker center on the Tiger. Weight and larger side
forces, ya' know.

Steve

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Mail From: Steve Laifman <(email redacted)>

Tigers,

As I recall, both Alpines, Tigers, and Triumph TR4's had steel disks
added, per racing rules, to prevent them from coming apart in a race.
This backed up the wheel disk hubs to prevent wheel loss. Still a good
idea for the road.

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(email redacted) wrote:
> As another "data point", Tigers running stickier, contemporary rubber
> and healthy motors have also been known to pull lug nuts through the
> stock wheels...if you have any intention to engage in "spirited"
> driving, running stock wheels is probably not a very good idea.
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2008 5:55:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
>
> IIRC one of the Tiger prototypes had Alpine wire wheels and the torque
> broke the spokes
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Mail From: Steve Laifman <(email redacted)>

Ross, and Tigers,

The ORIGINAL Road Wheel (Disc Type) for the Tiger is *1214930*.

The information is located in the Tiger Parts List at:

tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/9-NF-RearAndRoadWheels.pdf


of course. :-)

This document only lists TIGER parts, and is the Addendum to the Alpine
Dealer manual for those parts NOT the same as the Alpine.
*
Peter MacDonald*, of Coquilam, BC, Canada and *Chris Thompson*. Peter
Supplied the original List, and Chris prepared the PDF files to allow
web publication. The Entire List is available, in parts or whole, at:

tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp

No, not EVERYTHING is on the TU site, but a whole lot is!

Steve

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Ross wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Do you have the part numbers for the different wheels they must be different
> right?
>
> Ross
>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] stock wheels
>
> Clyde,
>
> Alpine and Tiger wheels are different. Aside from the obvious Alpine
> only wire wheel, the solid wheels have a thicker center stamping on the
> Tigers. I am sure Rootes would use either on the Alpine, depending on
> stock, but only the thicker center on the Tiger. Weight and larger side
> forces, ya' know.
>
> Steve
>
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At 03:42 PM 10/16/2008, Steve Laifman wrote:
>Ross, and Tigers,
>
>The ORIGINAL Road Wheel (Disc Type) for the Tiger is *1214930*.
>
>The information is located in the Tiger Parts List at:
>
>tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/9-NF-Rear
>AndRoadWheels.pdf
>
>
>of course. :-)
>
>This document only lists TIGER parts, and is the Addendum to the Alpine
>Dealer manual for those parts NOT the same as the Alpine.

Steve

The last is incorrect. The Alpine Parts manual
lists the correct wheels for the later Alpines as
1214930 as well. There are a number of parts
shared by the later Alpines and the Tigers and
listed both in the Alpine Parts Manual and the
"Alpine 260" Addendum. I DO have both documents,
along with a few other Rootes Parts Manuals.

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You guys might be correct about the part number but...

When this Alpine wheel vs. Tiger wheel thing first surfaced on this list over
ten years ago, I had a very original 1966 SV Alger (!?) sitting in my garage next to
my very original 1964 MkI Tiger. I don't know about the thickness of the center
section but it was obvious that the shape of the lug "well" or raised dimpled
section around the lug nut was VERY different between the Alpine wheel and
the Tiger wheel. Before I compared them I thought Alpine and Tiger wheels were
the same but not now! Maybe the parts list REPLACEMENT number for an
Alpine is the Tiger wheel...?

Gary
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> At 03:42 PM 10/16/2008, Steve Laifman wrote:
> >Ross, and Tigers,
> >
> >The ORIGINAL Road Wheel (Disc Type) for the Tiger is *1214930*.
> >
> >The information is located in the Tiger Parts List at:
> >
> >tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/9-NF-Rear
> >AndRoadWheels.pdf
> >
> >
> >of course. :-)
> >
> >This document only lists TIGER parts, and is the Addendum to the Alpine
> >Dealer manual for those parts NOT the same as the Alpine.
>
> Steve
>
> The last is incorrect. The Alpine Parts manual
> lists the correct wheels for the later Alpines as
> 1214930 as well. There are a number of parts
> shared by the later Alpines and the Tigers and
> listed both in the Alpine Parts Manual and the
> "Alpine 260" Addendum. I DO have both documents,
> along with a few other Rootes Parts Manuals.
>
> Marc
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At 06:45 PM 10/16/2008, (email redacted) wrote:
>You guys might be correct about the part number but...
>
>When this Alpine wheel vs. Tiger wheel thing first surfaced on this list
over
>ten years ago, I had a very original 1966 SV
>Alger (!?) sitting in my garage next to
>my very original 1964 MkI Tiger. I don't know
>about the thickness of the center
>section but it was obvious that the shape of the lug "well" or raised
dimpled
>section around the lug nut was VERY different between the Alpine wheel and
>the Tiger wheel. Before I compared them I
>thought Alpine and Tiger wheels were
>the same but not now! Maybe the parts list REPLACEMENT number for an
>Alpine is the Tiger wheel...?

Gary

1214930 wheels were the ONLY wheels used on the
Minx V and VI. The Minx V was introduced in the
UK in late 1963, about six months or so before
the first Tiger appeared. I would suggest that
someone had retrofitted earlier wheels to your
Alpine. Of course, this might have happened at
the factory: Rootes, by that point, was dying,
and so used up parts on hand. That is why the
Alpine V came from the factory with the
hand-crank bolt not fitted on the Alpine
IV: someone found a couple of boxes of them in a
back store-room so, "let's use these up".

Marc



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