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Mail From: James Barrett <(email redacted)>

Folks,
I have about had it with Lucas. After 32
years, my signal light indicator bulb broke a filiment.
Had to pull the speedometer to get to it. Fortunally
I had a 34 year old bulb that worked and was able to
replace the bad bulb.
While I was at it I added a reverse gear
warning light in the spare hole in the dash. This is
paralled off of the backup lights. Really needed this
as the Indy Hurst shifter I now have does not have
a reverse lockout. A couple of times I have been in
reverse instead of low at the stop light. This gives the
people behing me a real thrill. The lamp holder is
Mil Spec. The bulb is a #47, anyone know if this is
a 12 volt bulb? It is very bright and could be rated for 6.3
volts considering the age of the equipment I got it from.

I replaced my bald 235-50-13's with 225-50-15's.
(TOYO VR directional tires).
Used Rinkin 7" wide wheels from a Mustang. This made the
Tiger much easier to drive with the 3.29 SROD first gear.
The 225's are about 1.09 bigger than the 235's. The
speedometer is off even more now.
The Rinkins take tapered lug nuts. To solve the
problem with 1/2" holes in the wheels and 7/16 studs on
the Tiger, I took 1/2 tubing, threaded it to 7/16-20
and cut it into 3/16" long sleeves. Screwed the sleeves
all the way on the studs. Used new 7/16 acorn nuts and the
wheel then fit with no slop.


James Barrett Tiger II 351C and others

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Why not add a little thought to the unused light hole
next to the speedo. Remove the green turn light and
install it in the blank hole. I believe this hole was used
for the overdrive light for Alpines so equipped.

Then put an extra red ignition light in the old turn
signal hole. Wire accordingly so when turning left
the red light blinks or when turning right the green
blinks.

Just like an aircraft. Ever notice their turn signals when they
taxi on the ground???

Dave Johnson

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I replaced my bald 235-50-13's with 225-50-15's.
TOYO VR directional tires).
Used Rinkin 7" wide wheels from a Mustang.

James Barrett Tiger II 351C and others

James, Are the Rinkin 7" wide wheels (Mustang) 4 lug which would fit on
a stock Tiger hub?
Would these wheels fit in a Tiger without wheel well modifications?
Did you use 7" all around?
Thanks for the tip about modifying 1/2 " tubing to accomodate 7/16"
studs.
Are you glad you have an overdrive Top Loader? What differences have you
noticed,
as compared with a closed ratio? Is you setup better than a T-5? Sorry
about all the questions.

Cliff
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In a message dated 4/5/99 9:06:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, (email redacted)
writes:

<< Are the Rinkin 7" wide wheels (Mustang) 4 lug which would fit on
a stock Tiger hub? >>

All Fox-bodied, four lug applications have the same bolt pattern as the
Tiger. I have seen everything from TRX wheels to "phone dials" on Tigers. I
imagine the 7" would cause a fitment problem, but don't know the backspacing
specs off hand.
Capri (71-78) wheels are commonly used as well.
Mike

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In a message dated 4/5/99 6:10:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

<< Why not add a little thought to the unused light hole
next to the speedo. Remove the green turn light and
install it in the blank hole. I believe this hole was used
for the overdrive light for Alpines so equipped. >>

Better yet, how about a BRIGHT RED light hooked to a Hobbs switch to draw
your attention, very quickly, to a loss of oil pressure. I use this most
useful of idiot lights on my Formula Vee and saved mucho $$$ through a quick
shutoff following an oil pump failure.
Mike

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Mail From: James Barrett <(email redacted)>

At 08:52 PM 4/5/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Why not add a little thought to the unused light hole
>next to the speedo. Remove the green turn light and
>install it in the blank hole. I believe this hole was used
>for the overdrive light for Alpines so equipped.
>
>Then put an extra red ignition light in the old turn
>signal hole. Wire accordingly so when turning left
>the red light blinks or when turning right the green
>blinks.
>
>Just like an aircraft. Ever notice their turn signals when they
>taxi on the ground???
>
>Dave Johnson
Don't recall any extra hole in my Tiger II dash.
The spare hole was to the left of the panel light switch.
James Barrett Tiger II 351C and others

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At 10:10 PM 4/5/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
> I replaced my bald 235-50-13's with 225-50-15's.
>TOYO VR directional tires).
>Used Rinkin 7" wide wheels from a Mustang.
>
>James Barrett Tiger II 351C and others
>
>James, Are the Rinkin 7" wide wheels (Mustang) 4 lug which would fit on
>a stock Tiger hub?

Yes.

>Would these wheels fit in a Tiger without wheel well modifications?

The back spacing is such that I have around 3/4 Inch clearance to
the spring, so no problem with any other stock Tiger, The front spacing
from the end of the axle shaft to the sidewall of the 225-50-15 is 2 1/4"
The edge of the tread is about an inch less than that. I have 3/4 to
1" of clearance from the front of the tire to the wheel well trim.
Using these dimensions you should be able to figure out if they
will fit your Tiger.
My fenderwells are streached a bit to fit 235-50 on 8" wide 13" wheels,
therefore I have a lot of clearance from the tire to the fender.
If my wheel studs were longer, I would space the wheel out 3/5 to 1"
to make the tire fill the fender well.


>Did you use 7" all around?
Not yet, as I had new 205-60-13 on the front. Need another $230 for
another pair of 225-50-15 TOYO's. Would have to trim the valance some more
for turns. Already trimmed it once before.

>Thanks for the tip about modifying 1/2 " tubing to accomodate 7/16"
>studs.
First I tapped a longer section of tubing then I used a tubing
cutter to make clean cuts in the tubing and then sanded the edges.
Ran the tap through the 3/16" long sleeves before installing on the studs.
Wanted no binding on the threads as I installed the sleeves with my finger tips.

>Are you glad you have an overdrive Top Loader? What differences have you
>noticed,

I do not like the 3.29 low gear. 48 Mph at 6400 RPM! The 1.84
second gear seems to match the 351C power very well. I can go from stop
to over 80 without overreving. The gap from 3rd (1:1) to the .81 overdrive
seems OK, but the downshift from 3rd to second is way too far. I have to slow
a bunch before downshifting or else the revs go up too much and the engine
braking is excessive. I think that a 1.32 third gear would be much nicer
and maybe not quite so tall low gear.
According to the 1/4 mile generic drag race equations the
low gear is NOT low enough. Well I do a lot more commuting than drag racing.

I changed from the original 2.78 Tigeer transmission because I
had problems downshifting at speed. Took much more effort than I felt was
necessary. Well, the SROD did not help the downshift problem, so maby
the Tiger Transmission was OK to start with. I could find no damage
or wear on the Tiger Transmission.

>as compared with a closed ratio? Is you setup better than a T-5? Sorry
>about all the questions.

Have never tried a T5. In general if your motor
has low torque or a narrow power band you need closer gear ratios to maintain
the powerband. If you have a lot of power and torque over a broad range
then the ratios can be wider. It all depends on what you want to do with
your Tiger. In traffic, I believe a "medium" spacing is better for my
351C. The original wide ratio 2.78 Tiger Transmission was OK, but I
occasionally
found myself looking for an overdrive gear.( which did not exist).


James Barrett Tiger II 351C and others

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Mail From: "Mark Meswarb" <(email redacted)>

Cliff,

I am running late model Mustang wheels (at least til I can afford
Panasports). Another solution to the lug nut hole size problem is to get
"E/T style" lug nuts. These have a sleeve and chamfer and fit nicely. I
used to have a part number, but probably lost it in my recent move.

Good Luck,
Mark

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>To: (email redacted)
>Cc: (email redacted)
>Subject: Re: Prince of Darkness and other Ramblings
>Date: Mon, Apr 5, 1999, 11:10 PM
>

>Thanks for the tip about modifying 1/2 " tubing to accomodate 7/16"
>studs.

>Cliff
> 9471187
>
>

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On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:35:42 EDT (email redacted) writes:

All Fox-bodied, four lug applications have the same bolt pattern as
the Tiger. I have seen everything from TRX wheels to "phone dials" on
Tigers. I imagine the 7" would cause a fitment problem, but don't know
the
backspacing specs off hand.Capri (71-78) wheels are commonly used as
well.

Mike,

Thanks for the resposnse. This information regarding wheels, etc. is not
commonly available (ie, in CAT information). I was suprised to see that
stock wheels are not, or probable not, accepted at competitive events.
An addition to this wheel question is, can or how can hubs be modified to
fit 5 lug wheels. This would give a wider selection of rims and tires.
>From what I've seen on the list, people are moving away from 13 inch
tires?

Cliff
9471187

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On Tue, 06 Apr 1999 20:25:16 -0500 "Mark Meswarb" <(email redacted)>
writes:
Cliff,

I am running late model Mustang wheels (at least til I can afford
Panasports). Another solution to the lug nut hole size problem is to
get"E/T style" lug nuts. These have a sleeve and chamfer and fit nicely.

I used to have a part number, but probably lost it in my recent move.

Mark

Thanks for the respose Mark. But , what's so great about Panasports?
They seem to be linited to style, etc. I like the looks of the Halibrand
(spelling) with the spinner. Anybody have any experience with these
classic wheels?

Cliff
9471187

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In a message dated 4/6/99 8:04:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, (email redacted)
writes:

<< Mark

Thanks for the respose Mark. But , what's so great about Panasports?
They seem to be linited to style, etc. I like the looks of the Halibrand
(spelling) with the spinner. Anybody have any experience with these
classic wheels? >>

Yes they are expensive!!! (If you can find them)

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In a message dated 4/6/99 7:36:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, (email redacted)
writes:

<< Thanks for the resposnse. This information regarding wheels, etc. is not
commonly available (ie, in CAT information). I was suprised to see that
stock wheels are not, or probable not, accepted at competitive events.
An addition to this wheel question is, can or how can hubs be modified to
fit 5 lug wheels. This would give a wider selection of rims and tires.
From what I've seen on the list, people are moving away from 13 inch
tires? >>
<<Thanks for the respose Mark. But , what's so great about Panasports?
They seem to be linited to style, etc. I like the looks of the Halibrand
(spelling) with the spinner. Anybody have any experience with these
classic wheels?>>

Cliff-
I'll give my best on your questions, in order:
1. Stock, steel wheels are not to be used in severe duty for a number of
reasons. The most common problem I've heard of is lug nuts pulling through
the bolt holes!
2. I suppose it would be possible to adapt to a 5 bolt pattern. I've never
seen it done. An easier swap would be to pin-drive, or knock off, hubs.
3. The primary reason folks are moving away from 13" rims is due to lack of
tire selection. Not too many cars are coming through with OEM 13" rims these
days.
4. Panasports are popular for a number of reasons: a. They look "period
correct" being very similar to Minilites, which were quite popular in the
'60s. BTW, "minilites" are still available, just not as easy to source as the
Panasports. b. Panasports are a quality wheel; strong, fairly light, true and
balance well. c. Panasports are available in 14-15" diameters, solving tire
selection problems.
d. They aren't outrageously expensive.
5. I have looked into Halibrands. It would be possible to run a 14X7"
"Sprint" pattern, utilizing their pin-drive adapters. Be prepared to spend
big $$ to make the swap. Someone (Darrel Mountjoy?) has had a firm (PS
Engineering?) produce rims that are somewhat "Halibrand"-like for a Tiger
application. If memory serves, they have 4 "kidney beans" instead of 5 and
have quite a bit more backspacing/less offset than the classic Halibrand look.

Mike