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Mail From: "Bob Palmer" <(email redacted)>
Al, Stu, Listers,
For those that missed this article, it is still posted on the Web. Here's
the link:
members.nbci.com/_XOOM/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html
What is interesting are the changes made since May, 1999 when I made a
hardcopy of the whole article. Specifically, the harsh statements about Fram
filters have been redacted from the main article (there is a link to his
"conclusions"
. One can only wonder at the reason for this. For example,
under "Fram", the 5/99 version said the following:
"Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter
(the radioactive orange cans) is one of the worst out there. These filters
are manufactured by Allied Signal, Inc. Please do not buy these filters. By
boycotting it, we may be able to cause some change. I have personally had
one of these filters fail and actually cause engine damage due to bits of
paper and glue floating around in the engine. For some inside dirt of Fram
filters, see this email from an Allied Signal production engineer (Link)"
Obviously the author had a bad experience, which was probably a good part of
the motivation for this study. I don't know how he got the Allied Signal
email. I did not keep a copy of it, nor do I remember even reading it at the
time. Allied Signal may have threatened legal action if the email and other
offending statements weren't taken off the Website. Or maybe, he just got
tired of the backlash from his readers.
As it stands now without the railing against Fram, the article is actually
pretty informative - at least as far as it goes. There are no functional
tests, such as actually flowing oil through and measuring filtering
efficiency, etc., but I for one am inclined to accept his general
conclusions about which filters are the best and the best for the money. On
the other hand, not ever having had a problem with filter failure in all the
years and various brands I have used, I don't take the choice of filter
nearly as seriously as the author, Russ Knize, does. If you have specific
questions of Knize, you might email him directly at
mailto
email redacted)
-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailtoemail redacted)]On
Behalf Of Stu Brennan
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:54 AM
To: (email redacted); Tiger List
Subject: Re: Oil Filter Quality?
If this is the study we discussed a couple years back, his methods were
highly suspect, as were his conclusions.
Stu
Mail From: "Bob Palmer" <(email redacted)>
Al, Stu, Listers,
For those that missed this article, it is still posted on the Web. Here's
the link:
members.nbci.com/_XOOM/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html
What is interesting are the changes made since May, 1999 when I made a
hardcopy of the whole article. Specifically, the harsh statements about Fram
filters have been redacted from the main article (there is a link to his
"conclusions"
. One can only wonder at the reason for this. For example,under "Fram", the 5/99 version said the following:
"Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter
(the radioactive orange cans) is one of the worst out there. These filters
are manufactured by Allied Signal, Inc. Please do not buy these filters. By
boycotting it, we may be able to cause some change. I have personally had
one of these filters fail and actually cause engine damage due to bits of
paper and glue floating around in the engine. For some inside dirt of Fram
filters, see this email from an Allied Signal production engineer (Link)"
Obviously the author had a bad experience, which was probably a good part of
the motivation for this study. I don't know how he got the Allied Signal
email. I did not keep a copy of it, nor do I remember even reading it at the
time. Allied Signal may have threatened legal action if the email and other
offending statements weren't taken off the Website. Or maybe, he just got
tired of the backlash from his readers.
As it stands now without the railing against Fram, the article is actually
pretty informative - at least as far as it goes. There are no functional
tests, such as actually flowing oil through and measuring filtering
efficiency, etc., but I for one am inclined to accept his general
conclusions about which filters are the best and the best for the money. On
the other hand, not ever having had a problem with filter failure in all the
years and various brands I have used, I don't take the choice of filter
nearly as seriously as the author, Russ Knize, does. If you have specific
questions of Knize, you might email him directly at
mailto
email redacted)-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto
email redacted)]OnBehalf Of Stu Brennan
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:54 AM
To: (email redacted); Tiger List
Subject: Re: Oil Filter Quality?
If this is the study we discussed a couple years back, his methods were
highly suspect, as were his conclusions.
Stu
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Mail From: (email redacted)
Hi, all:
Thanks for the link, Bob. Pretty interesting. Actually, he does say
pretty much the same thing about Fram as he evidently said before, and
elsewhere on his site is a letter purporting to be from an engineer who
worked at Allied Signal and had some negatives to add.
Well, since others have had good experiences with Motorcraft, I'll try
those.
Regards
David Sosna
65 S4 GT V6 (for sale)
66 Tiguar (not for sale)
Bob Palmer wrote:
>
> Al, Stu, Listers,
>
> For those that missed this article, it is still posted on the Web. Here's
> the link:
>
> members.nbci.com/_XOOM/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html
>
> What is interesting are the changes made since May, 1999 when I made a
> hardcopy of the whole article. Specifically, the harsh statements about Fram
> filters have been redacted from the main article (there is a link to his
> "conclusions". One can only wonder at the reason for this. For example,
> under "Fram", the 5/99 version said the following:
>
> "Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter
> (the radioactive orange cans) is one of the worst out there. These filters
> are manufactured by Allied Signal, Inc. Please do not buy these filters. By
> boycotting it, we may be able to cause some change. I have personally had
> one of these filters fail and actually cause engine damage due to bits of
> paper and glue floating around in the engine. For some inside dirt of Fram
> filters, see this email from an Allied Signal production engineer (Link)"
>
> Obviously the author had a bad experience, which was probably a good part of
> the motivation for this study. I don't know how he got the Allied Signal
> email. I did not keep a copy of it, nor do I remember even reading it at the
> time. Allied Signal may have threatened legal action if the email and other
> offending statements weren't taken off the Website. Or maybe, he just got
> tired of the backlash from his readers.
>
> As it stands now without the railing against Fram, the article is actually
> pretty informative - at least as far as it goes. There are no functional
> tests, such as actually flowing oil through and measuring filtering
> efficiency, etc., but I for one am inclined to accept his general
> conclusions about which filters are the best and the best for the money. On
> the other hand, not ever having had a problem with filter failure in all the
> years and various brands I have used, I don't take the choice of filter
> nearly as seriously as the author, Russ Knize, does. If you have specific
> questions of Knize, you might email him directly at
> mailtoemail redacted)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [mailtoemail redacted)]On
> Behalf Of Stu Brennan
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:54 AM
> To: (email redacted); Tiger List
> Subject: Re: Oil Filter Quality?
>
> If this is the study we discussed a couple years back, his methods were
> highly suspect, as were his conclusions.
>
> Stu
Mail From: (email redacted)
Hi, all:
Thanks for the link, Bob. Pretty interesting. Actually, he does say
pretty much the same thing about Fram as he evidently said before, and
elsewhere on his site is a letter purporting to be from an engineer who
worked at Allied Signal and had some negatives to add.
Well, since others have had good experiences with Motorcraft, I'll try
those.
Regards
David Sosna
65 S4 GT V6 (for sale)
66 Tiguar (not for sale)
Bob Palmer wrote:
>
> Al, Stu, Listers,
>
> For those that missed this article, it is still posted on the Web. Here's
> the link:
>
> members.nbci.com/_XOOM/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html
>
> What is interesting are the changes made since May, 1999 when I made a
> hardcopy of the whole article. Specifically, the harsh statements about Fram
> filters have been redacted from the main article (there is a link to his
> "conclusions"
. One can only wonder at the reason for this. For example,> under "Fram", the 5/99 version said the following:
>
> "Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter
> (the radioactive orange cans) is one of the worst out there. These filters
> are manufactured by Allied Signal, Inc. Please do not buy these filters. By
> boycotting it, we may be able to cause some change. I have personally had
> one of these filters fail and actually cause engine damage due to bits of
> paper and glue floating around in the engine. For some inside dirt of Fram
> filters, see this email from an Allied Signal production engineer (Link)"
>
> Obviously the author had a bad experience, which was probably a good part of
> the motivation for this study. I don't know how he got the Allied Signal
> email. I did not keep a copy of it, nor do I remember even reading it at the
> time. Allied Signal may have threatened legal action if the email and other
> offending statements weren't taken off the Website. Or maybe, he just got
> tired of the backlash from his readers.
>
> As it stands now without the railing against Fram, the article is actually
> pretty informative - at least as far as it goes. There are no functional
> tests, such as actually flowing oil through and measuring filtering
> efficiency, etc., but I for one am inclined to accept his general
> conclusions about which filters are the best and the best for the money. On
> the other hand, not ever having had a problem with filter failure in all the
> years and various brands I have used, I don't take the choice of filter
> nearly as seriously as the author, Russ Knize, does. If you have specific
> questions of Knize, you might email him directly at
> mailto
email redacted)>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [mailto
email redacted)]On> Behalf Of Stu Brennan
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:54 AM
> To: (email redacted); Tiger List
> Subject: Re: Oil Filter Quality?
>
> If this is the study we discussed a couple years back, his methods were
> highly suspect, as were his conclusions.
>
> Stu
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