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Nice letter on that car Steve. I'll be curious to see the response. Hmm, I
have the feeling that the seller, if he bought it unknowingly as a Tiger, is
going to get stuck. I think it's going to be very difficult for the dealer to
sell it as a Tiger now unless he is very positive of its origin.
Mark L.

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Listers,
This is the response from Central Valley Classics regarding the Tiger that
they have for sale.
Mark L.

Mark,

You are looking at a very interesting car. This car comes with the #'s
matching engine, transmission and rear end. The car currently has a built 289
with a
close ratio top loader 4 spd and a narrowed 9" with a mini spool locker and
rear disc brakes. This car is very well documented with complete photos of
before during and of course after complete restoration, the owner claims it to
be
the real deal. This car also has won the best Tiger at one of the West coast
events right after it's restoration.
Now when this car first came to us there was a local gentelman, Sean Ford
that wanted to buy this car. He was making very low offers to purchase and
became
upset when he couldn't afford it so he went to the "Guru" (Norman C Miller)
to get this car dubbed a fake so no one would buy it. I guess he figured that
if he couldn't have it, he would make it extremely difficult for the owner to
sell it. To my knowledge, Norman C. Miller has not been in our showroom to see
the car and he has ignored emails that I have sent him regarding this car. The
only responses recieved where from Sean Ford and he of course is still bitter
about not getting this car.
I don't know if the car is a real Tiger or not, I only rely on the
information of the owner and I think that a fake would not be documented as
well as this
one. I also do not authenticate cars as this can become a conflict of
interest issue as we present these cars for sale. I can tell you this is a
beautiful
car and would make a nice addition to any garage.
I am not including the VIN # as you would only get the fake response from
Rootes1.com.

Regards,

John B.
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First, this is not the original owner of the business. After talking to Norm
the "Best Tiger" award was taken away after the was inspected by the GURU and
several others. Finally, two weeks after confirming the difficulties with this
car being a conversion, I paid cash in the amount of $24,000.00 for B9471382
after Norm suggested I look at my current Tiger.

The current dealer informed me that anybody that was stupid enough to buy a
fake was fair game.

No jealousy here, I've got the real thing and he's got squat.

A little more history on the car. It was purchased from a student at Fresno
State by a Doctor and fully gone through at great expense. When the restoration
was completed the car was shown and won best Tiger, only to be disqualified.
When I talked to the Doctor he indicated that if you can get the parts and
build it what difference does it make. I told him that I had a Cobra kit car I
would trade him and he indicated that kit cars weren't worth anything. My
response, "That's exactly the point."

I made no offer, I have and had the money and the letter you received from
John is based not on his personnel experience, I've never met the man. Take it
for what it's worth but I was there and those that disqualified the car can
attest that about 6 inches of the whole car are Tiger.

I do believe the Doctor that did the restoration was a victim and then bailed
on the whole thing.

Go to Norm's site and look at the notorious fakes!

Thanks for copying me on John's response


Dr. Sean Ford, Ph.D.

AKA DR Moonstone

P.S. I've got the money right now to pay cash for the fake if I wanted a
fake, I don't and this type of crap from those that worship money above honesty
hurts every one of us and the values of true Tigers.

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In a message dated 9/1/04 3:30:06 PM, (email redacted) writes:


> I am not including the VIN # as you would only get the fake response from
> Rootes1.com.
>

This says it all.

Moonstone

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Can someone write the dealer with the Tiger for sale and ask him how the car
got "matching numbers" on an engine that he knows is not original and a rear
end that is not original.

It is time for others to bug him and wake him up a little:-)
Mark L.

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This one is easy. The "original" parts may be strapped to a pallet and
included in the deal.
During my search for a Tiger, I encountered more than one car that had a 289
in it and a 260 on the floor. Both were included in the deal.

Erich


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> Can someone write the dealer with the Tiger for sale and ask him how the
car
> got "matching numbers" on an engine that he knows is not original and a
rear
> end that is not original.
>
> It is time for others to bug him and wake him up a little:-)

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That may be so but the car is not a Tiger


Moonstone

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We may go for them for one reason...it's a vehicle that we can understand a
little. When I ordered a new motorcycle last year I specified one with a carb.
At least I knew I could tear into that...a fuel injection...forget it. A
fuel injected model costs $140 anytime it's hooked up to the dealer's
computer.
If someone wants aftermarket mufflers...bang..has to be dealer
analyzed...$140.00!
On a Tiger I just love opening the hood and recognizing things;-)
Mark L.

Along with the polishing the t**d come to mind a question. Why do we fall in
love with these cars? They are really pretty unsophisticated, old
technology, bad mannered sometimes, won't steer, poor heating in winter,
can't stop for sour owl sh*t, and rust without provacation.

So why? I don't know, but my love affair has lasted these 37 years....

I watched number 55 run amok in Santa BArbara at the road races way back
when, and was hooked then and there. Was driving through town (Santa MAria,
Ca) and spotted my car on a lot, pulled in and bought it right there. HAd
13 000 miles on it. I still have just about every part that has been on or
off it with the xception of the front coil springs. Those are old CAT
springs and the originals went lost long time ago, as did the original
exhaust pipes and cast iron manifolds.

So why do we do it? Cars are not historically significant, no major break
throughs resulted from their birth and they were never really race worthy.

It is a mystery for the ages... let's not solve it because it is still fun.

mayf, out in Pahrump...