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Mail From: Kevin Meek <(email redacted)>

I'm trying to organize my garage to the point where I can
actually get a car in there to work on it. As part of that
project, I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a clever
way to store a hardtop; either against the wall or at ceiling
height? I had my hardtop sitting on a platform suspended
from the ceiling with it's front supported from hooks set
into the wall. This works, but takes up a lot of space...
............................................................
Kevin Meek ((email redacted)) Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1A
Santa Cruz, California Sunbeam Alpine S3 GT

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Mail From: "JAN HARDE" <(email redacted)>

Hello Kevin,

I have an SL hoist in the ceiling, easy and inexpensive way.
If you do not have room, next best thing, is an SL Caddie, its a small and
portable roller dolly, that is padded, they are sold by Beverly Hills
Motoring in B.H, or California Car cover in Chatsworth, Ca.
This is a Super alternative, that makes it easier to move around and makes
it easy for on and off.

Good Luck...

Jan Harde (back on line:
geocities.com/motorcity/track/7581/pinkbunny.html )


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Meek <(email redacted)>
To: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>; (email redacted)
<(email redacted)>
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 3:21 AM
Subject: Hard top storage ideas?


>I'm trying to organize my garage to the point where I can
>actually get a car in there to work on it. As part of that
>project, I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a clever
>way to store a hardtop; either against the wall or at ceiling
>height? I had my hardtop sitting on a platform suspended
>from the ceiling with it's front supported from hooks set
>into the wall. This works, but takes up a lot of space...
>............................................................
>Kevin Meek ((email redacted)) Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1A
>Santa Cruz, California Sunbeam Alpine S3 GT
>
>
>

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Mail From: (email redacted) (Armand & Lorie Ritchie)

>I'm trying to organize my garage to the point where I can
>actually get a car in there to work on it. As part of that
>project, I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a clever
>way to store a hardtop; either against the wall or at ceiling
>height? I had my hardtop sitting on a platform suspended
>from the ceiling with it's front supported from hooks set
>into the wall. This works, but takes up a lot of space...
>............................................................
>Kevin Meek ((email redacted)) Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1A
>Santa Cruz, California Sunbeam Alpine S3 GT

Hi Kevin, I did a drastic thing with my top. Actually I have two tops, one
is just a shell. The other is complete and came with our tiger when we
bought it. Anyway I hung them on the wall like a picture. What I did was
opened the rear popout windows and ran a strong rope through one window and
out the other. I slid on pieces of heater hose where the rope contacts the
top. Then I tied a loop in each end of the rope and pounded in two big
nails at the top of the wall and hung the rope from the nails.. The tops
hang vertically on the wall and take up very little space. If you want a
pic let me know. regards Armand

PS this puts a lot of pressure on your side window seals where the rope
contacts them(the weight of the entire top rests there) so you may want to
remove the seals if they are new or in good shape. mine were shot so I
didn't care, I will replace them at a later time.

(email redacted)
Armand & Lorie Ritchie

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Mail From: "Rich Atherton" <(email redacted)>

When I had my Alpine, I stored the hard top from the ceiling up die down
and it hung from the front latches, and the rear positioners. I don't
remember now how my dad and I attached it to the rear positioners, but it
worked well. Top always had the correct shape when I put it on, and it was
dust free as well, since we had a plastic sheet over it that covered up the
inside of the top.
Durring day to day storage, I just used to set carefuly on the back edge
and leaned it against the wall. being big (6'4" and 280 at that time), I
was able to just grab the top at each window opening, lift it up, and carry
it over to the car (previously opened door), and step in line up the rear
positioners, and set it in place all in a one man operation. Snap X 4, and
off I go !!


Well, that's how it was some twenty years ago.....and hopefully ...again
some day. Youhave no idea how bad I want another Alpine again....just can't
find the time or the money at the moment to get one...Still looking
however....if the dream machine comes along...I'll find a way....May cost me
a divorce, but I'll have my car again..

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Meek <(email redacted)>
To: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>; (email redacted)
<(email redacted)>
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 10:34 AM
Subject: Hard top storage ideas?


>I'm trying to organize my garage to the point where I can
>actually get a car in there to work on it. As part of that
>project, I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a clever
>way to store a hardtop; either against the wall or at ceiling
>height? I had my hardtop sitting on a platform suspended
>from the ceiling with it's front supported from hooks set
>into the wall. This works, but takes up a lot of space...
>............................................................
>Kevin Meek ((email redacted)) Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1A
>Santa Cruz, California Sunbeam Alpine S3 GT
>

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Mail From: Ken Tisdale <(email redacted)>

Jan,
Thanks for the BHMA site...

www.bhma.com

Both of the SL hoists, manual or electric look like they might work with the
Alpine/Tiger hard top. I'll have to do some measurements and call them to
confirm...

JAN HARDE wrote:

> Hello Kevin,
>
> I have an SL hoist in the ceiling, easy and inexpensive way.
> If you do not have room, next best thing, is an SL Caddie, its a small and
> portable roller dolly, that is padded, they are sold by Beverly Hills
> Motoring in B.H, or California Car cover in Chatsworth, Ca.
> This is a Super alternative, that makes it easier to move around and makes
> it easy for on and off.
>
> Good Luck...
>
> Jan Harde (back on line:
> geocities.com/motorcity/track/7581/pinkbunny.html )
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Meek <(email redacted)>
> To: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>; (email redacted)
> <(email redacted)>
> Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 3:21 AM
> Subject: Hard top storage ideas?
>
> >I'm trying to organize my garage to the point where I can
> >actually get a car in there to work on it. As part of that
> >project, I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a clever
> >way to store a hardtop; either against the wall or at ceiling
> >height? I had my hardtop sitting on a platform suspended
> >from the ceiling with it's front supported from hooks set
> >into the wall. This works, but takes up a lot of space...
> >............................................................
> >Kevin Meek ((email redacted)) Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1A
> >Santa Cruz, California Sunbeam Alpine S3 GT
> >
> >
> >

--
Ken Tisdale Sr. Sales Engineer
Pulsecom 303-403-1968
(email redacted) FAX: 303-432-8967
(email redacted)

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Mail From: "Allan Connell" <(email redacted)>

Kevin,

I have my hardtop conveniently secluded in the garage above the car. Simply
put together a system of block and tackle, a frame from which a length of
conduit for holding the front and two hooks to hold the back of the hardtop.
Works quite nicely attached to one of the roof rafters. Also, it is easy to
take off and on the car as it is simply a matter of removing the rope from
the cleat and raising or lowering the top on and off the car. The "block
and tackle" (light duty,) arrangement was used to eliminate twisting as one
raises and lowers the top. Seems to work fine and stays up there without a
hitch.

Only problem is that I don't have it suspended high enough. When I take the
car out to use my table saw, I invariably run into the top with my head at
least once. Fortunately, it's my head rather than something I could really
hurt......

Regards,

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailtoemail redacted)] On
Behalf Of Kevin Meek
Sent: Monday, November 23, 1998 10:24 AM
To: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Hard top storage ideas?

I'm trying to organize my garage to the point where I can
actually get a car in there to work on it. As part of that
project, I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a clever
way to store a hardtop; either against the wall or at ceiling
height? I had my hardtop sitting on a platform suspended
from the ceiling with it's front supported from hooks set
into the wall. This works, but takes up a lot of space...
............................................................
Kevin Meek ((email redacted)) Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1A
Santa Cruz, California Sunbeam Alpine S3 GT

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Mail From: (email redacted)

Kevin,

I can just add a small suggestion to all the excellent and creative
ideas you've already received.

While still a 2-man operation, I use hooks on a vertical wall like
some of the other responses you've gotten. To lessen the force on the
rear qtr. windows, I bought a big piece of foam (4' X 1' X 1' aprox.)
to cushion them & bottom. The foam is also on a box, so some of the
weight (vertical component) on the top hinges is less as well.

It seems to work fine, except it used up the area in the garage where
we used to hang our coats. Priorities, priorities.

Regards,

Frank Bonifazi

B9472682LRXFE


Subject: Hard top storage ideas?
Author: Non-HP-kevnmeek ((email redacted)) at HP-ColSprings,mimegw4
Date: 11/23/98 11:24 AM


I'm trying to organize my garage to the point where I can
actually get a car in there to work on it. As part of that
project, I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a clever
way to store a hardtop; either against the wall or at ceiling
height? I had my hardtop sitting on a platform suspended
from the ceiling with it's front supported from hooks set
into the wall. This works, but takes up a lot of space...
............................................................
Kevin Meek ((email redacted)) Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1A
Santa Cruz, California Sunbeam Alpine S3 GT

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Mail From: Steve Laifman <(email redacted)>

Kevin,

Remember - you asked. Here's the complete low-buck
solution.

Easy, mon. Just got some swivel pulleys at Home Depot, some
HD Nylon rope, a worm drive winch, a couple of old seat
belts, and a cleat.

Put a eye in a garage beam just above the back edge of the
side window (center of gravity of top). Make sure there is
enough room up there for the top when the garage door is
open. Use a screw hook and put a pulley next to the eye.
Put a pulley at the ceiling down the length of the garage.
Mount the worm drive directly under the last pulley (power
both ways and no flip latch and watch it drop or hang on.
About $34 at Harbor Freight & Supply). A few more pulleys,
if you need to mount this somewhere else and need to change
direction of the rope.

Run the nylon rope (use the smooth weave outer skin type of
at least a 3/8 diameter. Tie, or rope clamp one end to the
eye. put the rope through a pulley meant to lift the top,
then run it back to the pulley mounted next to the eye.
(You've just cut the effort to half the weight of the hood.)

Run the rope through the pulley at the rear ceiling, then
down to the winch. Put a spring loaded cleat on the hanging
pulley. Make up a LOOONG seat belt you can buy some for
pregnant ladies, or use two. The ends that usually bolt to
the floor have plates with holes (or sister hooks). These
get snapped to the spring loaded cleat. Run the belt around
the top at the rear edge of the window opening and adjust to
snap in center inside to top. Leave enough slack to be
comfortable putting it on, but not so loose as to hang too
low. Cover top with nice blanket (after cleaning and
waxing) and cover the edges where the belt goes around with
split foam tubing for house air conditioner tubes. Put some
rubber hoses (about 3/8) in the rubber window seals to keep
the edges from collapsing.

Start cranking. The top goes up to the ceiling for the
season. If you get tired of all those turns, you can attach
a drill motor (reversible 1/2" chuck) to the winch, or add
some pulleys and a reversible a/c motor (old garage door?).

If your really healthy, you can just pull on the rope or use
a boat winch, and cleat it off.

If you want even less effort, for a manual operation, you'll
need double pulleys to make the force 1/4 instead of 1/2.

I have a design for a aluminum tube metal holder, with "J"
hooks, if the seat belt idea isn't attractive.

Good luck, it is easy enough that even I can do it.

If you've got money, just go Jan's way, but mine is a DIY
method, and just misses the garage lights.

Tying to the latches is a good idea, for hoisting (per Rich
Atherton's comment) but it makes the top hang lower.

Allan's got a good idea with the conduit, through the same
place as my safety belt, but it applies a lot of local
pressure to the rubber. Need to spread that. I wouldn't
worry about Allan's head, it's hard enough. {9->

Steve

--
Steve Laifman < One first kiss, >
B9472289 < one first love, and >
< one first win, is all >
< you get in this life. >


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Mail From: "JAN HARDE" <(email redacted)>

Ken,

They both do work, I have the manual model, and it is SUPER..
Comes with everything you need, rope, tackles, wall plate to put rope around
straps and a curved metal bar that goes under the top for stability, right
in front of the quarter windows, and so simple and so cheap as well, less
than one would cost by the individual part.

Good Luck, I have had mine for the past 7 years now..

Jan.. (the ol' e-Mail is working again!!)

(postscript)
Steve is working on a special powered conversion unit, as opposed to his
1/4 inch drill motor, he
is converting an old 1947 Harley Engine, utilizing a shaft drive through a
limited slip differential (of-course) and cushioned via real Koni's from
Sunbeam Specialties. It has a Tiger Tech exhaust, and the famous rear end
cage unit from Dan Walters, it will be duly tac'ed as soon as it is done.
for maximum efficiency and SPEED...That ought to move that ol top to the top
of the Empire State in 15 sec or so...RPM @ about 19,000.
He has perfected and redesigned the muffler bearings, as to reduce the drag,
and to decrease the overall drag coefficiency, as to optimize the combustion
thrust factor, and thus get better performance, it is currently undergoing
the wind-tunnel tests, and the flow bench work is all done.

He he he!!! (tongue in cheek)



-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Tisdale <(email redacted)>
To: JAN HARDE <(email redacted)>
Cc: Kevin Meek <(email redacted)>; TIGER LIST <(email redacted)>
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Hard top storage ideas?


>Jan,
>Thanks for the BHMA site...
>
>www.bhma.com
>
>Both of the SL hoists, manual or electric look like they might work with
the
>Alpine/Tiger hard top. I'll have to do some measurements and call them to
>confirm...
>
>JAN HARDE wrote:
>
>> Hello Kevin,
>>
>> I have an SL hoist in the ceiling, easy and inexpensive way.
>> If you do not have room, next best thing, is an SL Caddie, its a small
and
>> portable roller dolly, that is padded, they are sold by Beverly Hills
>> Motoring in B.H, or California Car cover in Chatsworth, Ca.
>> This is a Super alternative, that makes it easier to move around and
makes
>> it easy for on and off.
>>
>> Good Luck...
>>
>> Jan Harde (back on line:
>> geocities.com/motorcity/track/7581/pinkbunny.html )
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kevin Meek <(email redacted)>
>> To: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>;
(email redacted)
>> <(email redacted)>
>> Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 3:21 AM
>> Subject: Hard top storage ideas?
>>
>> >I'm trying to organize my garage to the point where I can
>> >actually get a car in there to work on it. As part of that
>> >project, I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a clever
>> >way to store a hardtop; either against the wall or at ceiling
>> >height? I had my hardtop sitting on a platform suspended
>> >from the ceiling with it's front supported from hooks set
>> >into the wall. This works, but takes up a lot of space...
>> >............................................................
>> >Kevin Meek ((email redacted)) Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1A
>> >Santa Cruz, California Sunbeam Alpine S3 GT
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>--
>Ken Tisdale Sr. Sales Engineer
>Pulsecom 303-403-1968
>(email redacted) FAX: 303-432-8967
>(email redacted)
>
>
>

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Mail From: Steve Laifman <(email redacted)>



JAN HARDE wrote:

> Ken,
>
> (postscript)
> Steve is working on a special powered conversion unit, as opposed to his
> 1/4 inch drill motor, he is converting an old 1947 Harley Engine, ....., it
> is currently undergoing he wind-tunnel tests, and the flow bench work is all
> done.
>
> He he he!!! (tongue in cheek)

Jan,

Built the prototype you described so eloquently. During the tie down runs all
parameters were successfully recorded and matched design predictions. During
the first full-scale test, unfortunately, my hard top was launched through the
garage roof and is now orbiting John Glenn.

Does anyone have a nearly perfect #86 Green hardtop available?

{9->

Steve

(Never, ever, bite the tongue that is firmly implanted in your cheek)

> --

Steve Laifman < One first kiss, >
B9472289 < one first love, and >
< one first win, is all >
< you get in this life. >


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Mail From: "JAN HARDE" <(email redacted)>

James,

>From BHMA, and it was around $ 69.00 or so.. They do sell mostly mail order,
check the WEB address posted earlier.

Good Luck!!

Jan Harde... HAPPY TURKEY DAY!!! everyone...


-----Original Message-----
From: James E. Pickard <(email redacted)>
To: JAN HARDE <(email redacted)>
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Hard top storage ideas?


>JAN HARDE wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> They both do work, I have the manual model, and it is SUPER..
>> Comes with everything you need, rope, tackles, wall plate to put rope
around
>> straps and a curved metal bar that goes under the top for stability,
right
>> in front of the quarter windows, and so simple and so cheap as well, less
>> than one would cost by the individual part.
>> I assume you are talking about the SL lift. How cheap is cheap? Who
>makes or markets this thing; I'm a long way from CA.
>
>Jim Pickard
>

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Mail From: "Allan Connell" <(email redacted)>

Jan,

Just checked out BHMA web site....thanks for forwarding it on.

Please do not take this personally or as any kind of flame
whatsoever.....BUT....the least expensive alternative they show on their web
page is the "Miata" at $84.95.

Indeed, this is a reasonable alternative and fairly cost-effective.
However, for about $15.00 worth of new equipment, and some used stuff lying
in your garage, you can have at least the same or a better product. BTW, I
tried the route shown on BHMA's web site years ago with my Datsun 2000 and
TR-6 hardtops. Had way too much trouble with the hard top spinning on the
rope and getting tangled. The design Steve mentions is similar to mine and
much improved over my earlier "lazy man's" hard top alternatives. Also, as
much as I enjoyed those two cars, I MUCH prefer the Tiger.

Just put this in the FWI category.

Regards,

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailtoemail redacted)] On
Behalf Of JAN HARDE
Sent: Monday, November 23, 1998 8:57 PM
To: James E. Pickard
Cc: TIGER LIST
Subject: Re: Hard top storage ideas?

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Mail From: (email redacted)

In a message dated 11/23/98 4:55:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

>
> I have my hardtop conveniently secluded in the garage above the car.
Simply
> put together a system of block and tackle, a frame from which a length of
> conduit for holding the front and two hooks to hold the back of the
hardtop.
> Works quite nicely attached to one of the roof rafters. Also, it is easy
to
> take off and on the car as it is simply a matter of removing the rope from
> the cleat and raising or lowering the top on and off the car. The "block
> and tackle" (light duty,) arrangement was used to eliminate twisting as one
> raises and lowers the top. Seems to work fine and stays up there without a
> hitch.
Boy, all these arrangements storing hardtops have me thinking of the bat
cave. You drive in and these robots pluck it off into storage.

Rob Kempinski