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Now this is an "ELECTRIC CAR!"



Would not like to go against this bad boy!



Have a nice day!!!



This car is really impressive. Check out this video.

11 Second Electric Car?

If a little guy in a home garage can make this, what should all the big car
makers be doing in all their giant labs???

If this isn't absolutely pathetic!



What have all the Detroit automakers been doing!



What a joke!

No wonder they are going under!

Check this out.

www.opb.org/programs/ofg/videos/view/56-Electric-Drag-Racing
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This is an awesome car!!! However, as usual, these people never take into
account all the chemicals and energy required to manufacture the batteries,
let alone to recycler them. All storage and conversion of energy has some kind
and amount of parasitic loss. Granted, the actual driving time creates
practically no emissions, but the fabrication is hazardous and energy
intensive. Why is that never figured into the environmental pollution
equation? And can you imagine the size of the power grid necessary if all of
Los Angeles had to plug in every night?!!! And what about all the batteries
that would have to be manufactured and recycled?!!! And what about all the
chemical spills from all the accidents from all the crazy drivers we have here
in L.A.?!!! and what about ... you get the picture.
A friend of mine just finished converting an S10 pickup to electric. It's got
lots of torque, but it's a trade off between performance and longevity. He's
hoping to gingerly get 50 miles per charge. His 22 batteries weigh 72 lbs
apiece and cost $7,500 and have to be changed every 3 three years and he still
has to pay for the nightly electricity.
I am not against electric vehicles. I just don't think they're the nirvana
everyone in government thinks they are. When oil gets back to $150 a gallon,
they may become financially viable, but until then...! Actually high gas
prices will solve a plethora of problems - more car/van pooling, fewer cars on
the roads, less congestion on the roads, fewer cars manufactured, more people
using public transportation (for which we already pay billions in taxes to
subsidize, whether we use it or not), more people riding motorcycles and
bicycles, more people walking (nobody walks in L.A.), we all might even lose a
few pounds, so less obesity and lower health costs, less dependence on foreign
oil (less money for terrorist), etc., etc., etc. Ironically society screamed
when gas prices were higher than what we were used to and the politicians
responded in kind. What a catch 22!!!
Gary
Boy, are these comments going to get everybody off subject or what?!!!



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From: George Leibert <(email redacted)>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!
To: "Tiger List" <(email redacted)>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:51 AM

Now this is an "ELECTRIC CAR!"



Would not like to go against this bad boy!



Have a nice day!!!



This car is really impressive. Check out this video.

11 Second Electric Car?

If a little guy in a home garage can make this, what should all the big car
makers be doing in all their giant labs???

If this isn't absolutely pathetic!



What have all the Detroit automakers been doing!



What a joke!

No wonder they are going under!

Check this out.

www.opb.org/programs/ofg/videos/view/56-Electric-Drag-Racing
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Mail From: Gary <(email redacted)>

Oops. I meant $150 a barrel.

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From: Gary <(email redacted)>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!
To: "Tiger List" <(email redacted)>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:57 PM

This is an awesome car!!! However, as usual, these people never take into
account all the chemicals and energy required to manufacture the batteries,
let alone to recycle them. All storage and conversion of energy has some kind
and amount of parasitic loss. Granted, the actual driving time creates
practically no emissions, but the fabrication is hazardous and energy
intensive. Why is that never figured into the environmental pollution
equation? And can you imagine the size of the power grid necessary if all of
Los Angeles had to plug in every night?!!! And what about all the batteries
that would have to be manufactured and recycled?!!! And what about all the
chemical spills from all the accidents from all the crazy drivers we have here
in L.A.?!!! and what about ... you get the picture.
A friend of mine just finished converting an S10 pickup to electric. It's got
lots of torque, but it's a trade off between performance and longevity. He's
hoping to gingerly get 50 miles per charge. His 22 batteries weigh 72 lbs
apiece and cost $7,500 and have to be changed every 3 three years and he still
has to pay for the nightly electricity.
I am not against electric vehicles. I just don't think they're the nirvana
everyone in government thinks they are. When oil gets back to $150 a barrel,
they may become financially viable, but until then...! Actually high gas
prices will solve a plethora of problems - more car/van pooling, fewer cars on
the roads, less congestion on the roads, fewer cars manufactured, more people
using public transportation (for which we already pay billions in taxes to
subsidize, whether we use it or not), more people riding motorcycles and
bicycles, more people walking (nobody walks in L.A.), we all might even lose a
few pounds, so less obesity and lower health costs, less dependence on foreign
oil (less money for terrorist), etc., etc., etc. Ironically society screamed
when gas prices were higher than what we were used to and the politicians
responded in kind. What a catch 22!!!
Gary
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Mail From: "spook01" <(email redacted)>

and don't forget that nickel is a VERY bad thing in the eco system.
Ray

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state.
They forget that the state lives at the expense of everyone."
--French economist, statesman and author Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary" <(email redacted)>
To: "Tiger List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!


> This is an awesome car!!! However, as usual, these people never take into
> account all the chemicals and energy required to manufacture the
> batteries,
> let alone to recycler them. All storage and conversion of energy has some
> kind
> and amount of parasitic loss. Granted, the actual driving time creates
> practically no emissions, but the fabrication is hazardous and energy
> intensive. Why is that never figured into the environmental pollution
> equation? And can you imagine the size of the power grid necessary if all
> of
> Los Angeles had to plug in every night?!!! And what about all the
> batteries
> that would have to be manufactured and recycled?!!! And what about all the
> chemical spills from all the accidents from all the crazy drivers we have
> here
> in L.A.?!!! and what about ... you get the picture.
> A friend of mine just finished converting an S10 pickup to electric. It's
> got
> lots of torque, but it's a trade off between performance and longevity.
> He's
> hoping to gingerly get 50 miles per charge. His 22 batteries weigh 72 lbs
> apiece and cost $7,500 and have to be changed every 3 three years and he
> still
> has to pay for the nightly electricity.
> I am not against electric vehicles. I just don't think they're the nirvana
> everyone in government thinks they are. When oil gets back to $150 a
> gallon,
> they may become financially viable, but until then...! Actually high gas
> prices will solve a plethora of problems - more car/van pooling, fewer
> cars on
> the roads, less congestion on the roads, fewer cars manufactured, more
> people
> using public transportation (for which we already pay billions in taxes to
> subsidize, whether we use it or not), more people riding motorcycles and
> bicycles, more people walking (nobody walks in L.A.), we all might even
> lose a
> few pounds, so less obesity and lower health costs, less dependence on
> foreign
> oil (less money for terrorist), etc., etc., etc. Ironically society
> screamed
> when gas prices were higher than what we were used to and the politicians
> responded in kind. What a catch 22!!!
> Gary
> Boy, are these comments going to get everybody off subject or what?!!!
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, George Leibert <(email redacted)> wrote:
>
> From: George Leibert <(email redacted)>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!
> To: "Tiger List" <(email redacted)>
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:51 AM
>
> Now this is an "ELECTRIC CAR!"
>
>
>
> Would not like to go against this bad boy!
>
>
>
> Have a nice day!!!
>
>
>
> This car is really impressive. Check out this video.
>
> 11 Second Electric Car?
>
> If a little guy in a home garage can make this, what should all the big
> car
> makers be doing in all their giant labs???
>
> If this isn't absolutely pathetic!
>
>
>
> What have all the Detroit automakers been doing!
>
>
>
> What a joke!
>
> No wonder they are going under!
>
> Check this out.
>
> www.opb.org/programs/ofg/videos/view/56-Electric-Drag-Racing
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Mail From: "Smit, Theo" <(email redacted)>

You know what irks me? I have a Toyota Echo as a daily driver, that I
bought used. It's totally awesome for the job... It gets about 45 miles
per US gallon, it's small on the outside and big enough inside that I
can pick up the kids or a ten foot piece of bar stock. But recently I
got a letter from my insurance that they're offering discounts for
people that drive hybrids, because they're "green". Any kind of
hybrid... But as far as I know, the only hybrids that will actually beat
the mileage I get are the Honda Insight and the Prius. And both of those
will have significantly higher operating cost and environmental impact
than the Echo, to say nothing of what the fullsize hybrids will require.
So really, the insurance company is inducing people to spend more money
on a new car, that has significant environmental impact. They ought to
be teaching people how to take care of their older cars so that they run
as clean as possible and to get maximum life out of what's already been
built.

At the same time, it's good that electric drives are finally getting
some exposure, and it's even better that there are people doing hot-rod
conversions and showing the performance potential even if it's only in a
straight line. Racing improves the breed.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted)
> [mailtoemail redacted)] On Behalf Of Gary
> Sent: June 18, 2009 1:02 AM
> To: Tiger List
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!
>
> Oops. I meant $150 a barrel.
>
> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Gary <(email redacted)> wrote:
>
> From: Gary <(email redacted)>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!
> To: "Tiger List" <(email redacted)>
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:57 PM
>
> This is an awesome car!!! However, as usual, these people
> never take into account all the chemicals and energy required
> to manufacture the batteries, let alone to recycle them. All
> storage and conversion of energy has some kind and amount of
> parasitic loss. Granted, the actual driving time creates
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Mail From: "Thomas Witt" <(email redacted)>

Sitting in my shed is the motor/control system etc. out of a 1981 Jet
Industries Electrica 007. jetelectrica007.blogspot.com/ I paid all
of $102 out the door for it at a Pick A Part 50% off sale. When the
cheapest gas hit $4.59 here in California last year it sure was tempting to
proceed. Of course at the cost of setting my 10 year Tiger project back
further.

The two holdbacks are the need for an early 80's Rabbit or early 80's
Chrysler econo car and batterie$. Both cars used the same VW transmission
(1.7 engine) that the engine plate is built for. Ironically both VW and
Chrysler made mini pick up trucks (put batteries in the bed) that would have
the same (correct) transmission and allow for good weight distribution. I
would sure like to get one of those.

While finding one is getting harder to do (the VW's are often diesel and
command a price) it is the battery cost ($2,000+ for 20, 6 volt, lead acid,
batteries) that is the real holdback. As best I can tell the last only
about 2 years and then need to be replaced.

Theo had a lot of well thought out things to say regarding the "reality" of
an electric vehicle. To that end I drive a '91 Mazda 323 that car also get
42-45 MPG at 55 MPH. And, even at the highest gas prices it didn't justify
the battery cost and their short life. FYI that Lipo pack the guy in the
video ran was probably 10's of thousands of dollars and they do have a
propensity to ignite under certain conditions. Ask any R/C hobbiest.

So, point of source power pollution, battery construction related pollution,
power distribution, limited range are just a few of the things to be
factored in (Liberal politicians take notice). Still for those who find
interest a very cool thing to do as a hobbiest.
Tom
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Mail From: "spook01" <(email redacted)>

well, here in Nashville we have algore preaching about "global warming" -the
kind that happens every summer- while he tools around in his diesel
houseboat. and, no it isn't bio diesel...
Best,
Ray
"The U.N. is a place where governments opposed to free speech demand to be
heard."
- Alfred E. Neuman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Smit, Theo" <(email redacted)>
To: "Gary" <(email redacted)>; "Tiger List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!


> You know what irks me? I have a Toyota Echo as a daily driver, that I
> bought used. It's totally awesome for the job... It gets about 45 miles
> per US gallon, it's small on the outside and big enough inside that I
> can pick up the kids or a ten foot piece of bar stock. But recently I
> got a letter from my insurance that they're offering discounts for
> people that drive hybrids, because they're "green". Any kind of
> hybrid... But as far as I know, the only hybrids that will actually beat
> the mileage I get are the Honda Insight and the Prius. And both of those
> will have significantly higher operating cost and environmental impact
> than the Echo, to say nothing of what the fullsize hybrids will require.
> So really, the insurance company is inducing people to spend more money
> on a new car, that has significant environmental impact. They ought to
> be teaching people how to take care of their older cars so that they run
> as clean as possible and to get maximum life out of what's already been
> built.
>
> At the same time, it's good that electric drives are finally getting
> some exposure, and it's even better that there are people doing hot-rod
> conversions and showing the performance potential even if it's only in a
> straight line. Racing improves the breed.
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: (email redacted)
>> [mailtoemail redacted)] On Behalf Of Gary
>> Sent: June 18, 2009 1:02 AM
>> To: Tiger List
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!
>>
>> Oops. I meant $150 a barrel.
>>
>> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Gary <(email redacted)> wrote:
>>
>> From: Gary <(email redacted)>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!
>> To: "Tiger List" <(email redacted)>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:57 PM
>>
>> This is an awesome car!!! However, as usual, these people
>> never take into account all the chemicals and energy required
>> to manufacture the batteries, let alone to recycle them. All
>> storage and conversion of energy has some kind and amount of
>> parasitic loss. Granted, the actual driving time creates
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Mail From: "spook01" <(email redacted)>

so, that would make a trip to san diego take three days. counting recharge
times.
Best,
Ray
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heard."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary" <(email redacted)>
To: "Tiger List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!


> This is an awesome car!!! However, as usual, these people never take into
> account all the chemicals and energy required to manufacture the
> batteries,
> let alone to recycler them. All storage and conversion of energy has some
> kind
> and amount of parasitic loss. Granted, the actual driving time creates
> practically no emissions, but the fabrication is hazardous and energy
> intensive. Why is that never figured into the environmental pollution
> equation? And can you imagine the size of the power grid necessary if all
> of
> Los Angeles had to plug in every night?!!! And what about all the
> batteries
> that would have to be manufactured and recycled?!!! And what about all the
> chemical spills from all the accidents from all the crazy drivers we have
> here
> in L.A.?!!! and what about ... you get the picture.
> A friend of mine just finished converting an S10 pickup to electric. It's
> got
> lots of torque, but it's a trade off between performance and longevity.
> He's
> hoping to gingerly get 50 miles per charge. His 22 batteries weigh 72 lbs
> apiece and cost $7,500 and have to be changed every 3 three years and he
> still
> has to pay for the nightly electricity.
> I am not against electric vehicles. I just don't think they're the nirvana
> everyone in government thinks they are. When oil gets back to $150 a
> gallon,
> they may become financially viable, but until then...! Actually high gas
> prices will solve a plethora of problems - more car/van pooling, fewer
> cars on
> the roads, less congestion on the roads, fewer cars manufactured, more
> people
> using public transportation (for which we already pay billions in taxes to
> subsidize, whether we use it or not), more people riding motorcycles and
> bicycles, more people walking (nobody walks in L.A.), we all might even
> lose a
> few pounds, so less obesity and lower health costs, less dependence on
> foreign
> oil (less money for terrorist), etc., etc., etc. Ironically society
> screamed
> when gas prices were higher than what we were used to and the politicians
> responded in kind. What a catch 22!!!
> Gary
> Boy, are these comments going to get everybody off subject or what?!!!
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, George Leibert <(email redacted)> wrote:
>
> From: George Leibert <(email redacted)>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!
> To: "Tiger List" <(email redacted)>
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:51 AM
>
> Now this is an "ELECTRIC CAR!"
>
>
>
> Would not like to go against this bad boy!
>
>
>
> Have a nice day!!!
>
>
>
> This car is really impressive. Check out this video.
>
> 11 Second Electric Car?
>
> If a little guy in a home garage can make this, what should all the big
> car
> makers be doing in all their giant labs???
>
> If this isn't absolutely pathetic!
>
>
>
> What have all the Detroit automakers been doing!
>
>
>
> What a joke!
>
> No wonder they are going under!
>
> Check this out.
>
> www.opb.org/programs/ofg/videos/view/56-Electric-Drag-Racing
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I guess you heard that Area 51 is full of electric, nuclear, hydrogen and
cold fusion cars stolen from small inventors who were killed by black ops
teams for inventing something the Detroit muscle couldn't. add that to the
200 mile per gallon carbs secreted away in the 40's and 50's along with
little aliens and you get an idea of the magnitude of the conspiracy!
did I mention a black helicopter is on the roof now, and they are rappelling
down to stop me fro





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From: "George Leibert" <(email redacted)>
To: "Tiger List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drag Racers, Watch Out!!! Not Tiger!


> Now this is an "ELECTRIC CAR!"
>
>
>
> Would not like to go against this bad boy!
>
>
>
> Have a nice day!!!
>
>
>
> This car is really impressive. Check out this video.
>
> 11 Second Electric Car?
>
> If a little guy in a home garage can make this, what should all the big
> car
> makers be doing in all their giant labs???
>
> If this isn't absolutely pathetic!
>
>
>
> What have all the Detroit automakers been doing!
>
>
>
> What a joke!
>
> No wonder they are going under!
>
> Check this out.
>
> www.opb.org/programs/ofg/videos/view/56-Electric-Drag-Racing
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