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On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, that appears to be
too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like there is enough "Tiger"
parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace!


Jeff
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Looks like (and from the seller's description) it might break in half
just getting it onto a trailer, let alone having it survive a trip of
any length strapped down securely.

I have a Series V Alpine shell that actually would be a good match for
this car (it has good sheetmetal where this mkII has none), but even if
you did your absolute best to replace only what had to be replaced, and
doing a minimum number of middle-of-the-panel patches, I think you might
end up with something that would push the boundaries of TAC-ability.
When the entire floor pan has been replaced, should the chassis as a
whole still be considered a Rootes-manufactured product? A buyer would
likely be better off (and save a lot of money) by instead grafting the
bodywork onto a tube frame designed around the Tiger track and wheelbase
dimensions. At least there would be no Alger stigma.

Theo

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> Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved?
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> On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283,
> that appears to be too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even
> look like there is enough "Tiger"
> parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace!
>
>
> Jeff
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Mail From: Cullen McCann <(email redacted)>

ooooh...one of my favorite conversations and the beginnings of a great debate.

my official position: YES!!!...anything can be saved with enough money and time involved...but its usually the car and project that the poor guys like me chase and the rich guys say is too far gone....which is fine with me, it gives an opportunity for the poor guys to play too. And when the car is all back together and it looks as good as new....if done right...no one will ever know you resurrected a mkII from certain death....then I get to rub shoulders with you cool guys and be part of the cool crowd....(it works better when you donbt know what I started with, but the concept is sound from my perspective...)

I do however agree that this car would be ALLLOOOOTTT of work. its actually not the rust that scares me as bad as the wreck damage on the driver qtr panel.....that kinda thing has a tendency to ripple throughout a unibody...and you never know for sure how far it got. next thing you know the front fenders donbt line up....and you never find out why....

Actually I will back up a bit...the more I look at it, the more I notice it actually does have "structural rust" in the cross members...it would be a royal pain the square that car back up I think....but I bet someone buys it and "rebodies" it....which I donbt know FOR SURE how to feel about. Based off of prior conversations about "original tub" authenticity being the determining factor....then a rebody in of itself would be an alger I suppose...but again, if you took this car, replaced the floor pan, replaced the trunk pan, replaced the fenders and quarters....then you might as well have rebodied it, because only about 50lbs of the original tub is still there, enough to put in a suitcase..but yet people donbt frown on it as much....and its not at all uncommon to restore a car and replace all the skin and pans.......so honestly, I donbt know about that...it seems like more of a conceptual debate.................but yes, its one realllly rough old cat...poor thing....never had a chance...so neglected...left to die, alone.....just not humane







On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, that appears to be
too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like there is enough "Tiger"
parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace!


Jeff
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Mail From: Tony Somebody <(email redacted)>

It can be saved. Maybe Mr. Obama would add the person to the stimulus bills as
it would cost alot of money and a doner car or two. Looks like its barly a
parts car as most of the high dollar Mk2 trim is gone. He said parts of the X
frame are gone- rusted away Im guessing. Another sad story for Norms next
book.
TtT

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, Jeffrey Nichols <(email redacted)> wrote:

> From: Jeffrey Nichols <(email redacted)>
> Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved?
> To: (email redacted)
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 1:51 PM
> On Ebay is listed a really rough MK
> II, # 220455388283, that appears to be
> too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like
> there is enough "Tiger"
> parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace!
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeff
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Too bad he doesn't give the complete VIN so we could give it a decent
burial.

Fred Baum
9470768 AND
382002353, just acquired but not picked up yet
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Mail From: "spook01" <(email redacted)>

i wrote to the 0bama bailout center for another billion or so to rescue this
poor car.
they said they were printing it and a large box was on the way to restore
the poor thing..
Best,
Ray

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved?


> ooooh...one of my favorite conversations and the beginnings of a great
> debate.
>
> my official position: YES!!!...anything can be saved with enough money and
> time involved...but its usually the car and project that the poor guys
> like me chase and the rich guys say is too far gone....which is fine with
> me, it gives an opportunity for the poor guys to play too. And when the
> car is all back together and it looks as good as new....if done right...no
> one will ever know you resurrected a mkII from certain death....then I get
> to rub shoulders with you cool guys and be part of the cool crowd....(it
> works better when you donbt know what I started with, but the concept is
> sound from my perspective...)
>
> I do however agree that this car would be ALLLOOOOTTT of work. its
> actually not the rust that scares me as bad as the wreck damage on the
> driver qtr panel.....that kinda thing has a tendency to ripple throughout
> a unibody...and you never know for sure how far it got. next thing you
> know the front fenders donbt line up....and you never find out why....
>
> Actually I will back up a bit...the more I look at it, the more I notice
> it actually does have "structural rust" in the cross members...it would be
> a royal pain the square that car back up I think....but I bet someone buys
> it and "rebodies" it....which I donbt know FOR SURE how to feel about.
> Based off of prior conversations about "original tub" authenticity being
> the determining factor....then a rebody in of itself would be an alger I
> suppose...but again, if you took this car, replaced the floor pan,
> replaced the trunk pan, replaced the fenders and quarters....then you
> might as well have rebodied it, because only about 50lbs of the original
> tub is still there, enough to put in a suitcase..but yet people donbt
> frown on it as much....and its not at all uncommon to restore a car and
> replace all the skin and pans.......so honestly, I donbt know about
> that...it seems like more of a conceptual debate.................but yes,
> its one realllly rough old cat...poor thing....never
> had a chance...so neglected...left to die, alone.....just not humane
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, that appears to
> be
> too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like there is enough
> "Tiger"
> parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace!
>
>
> Jeff
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Mail From: " Ron Fraser" <(email redacted)>

Jeff

Massive injection of money can save nearly anything even this Tiger.
Let's send it to "Overhauling" and watch them resurrect it in 1 week or is
this a "ChopCut Recycle" project.

It does have the earliest MK II engine number that I have seen or recorded;
1625-A11KK, if I'm reading the fuzzy picture correctly.

Anyone on the list have an earlier MK II engine number than 1625-A11KK?

Ron Fraser



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On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, that appears to be
too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like there is enough "Tiger"
parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace!


Jeff
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Why don't 20 of us get together and buy it. It would make the $50,000 restoration more palatable.

Duke
B382002037



---- Ron Fraser <(email redacted)> wrote:
> Jeff
>
> Massive injection of money can save nearly anything even this Tiger.
> Let's send it to "Overhauling" and watch them resurrect it in 1 week or is
> this a "ChopCut Recycle" project.
>
> It does have the earliest MK II engine number that I have seen or recorded;
> 1625-A11KK, if I'm reading the fuzzy picture correctly.
>
> Anyone on the list have an earlier MK II engine number than 1625-A11KK?
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
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> Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved?
>
>
> On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, that appears to be
> too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like there is enough "Tiger"
> parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace!
>
>
> Jeff
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Mail From: "Thomas Witt" <(email redacted)>

So, a few days ago we saw the video of the "Buttonwillow Tiger" that was
raced and crashed. Now we have the "Rust Bucket" Mark II. My recollection
was that when the Buttonwillow Tiger was flipped over in the video the
underside wasn't that bad. Can you see where I'm going with this?

Now it is no longer a debate over how much a Tiger remains a Tiger when
replaced with Alpine parts. Rather it could become a debate of how much a
Mark II remains a Mark II when replaced with Mark I parts.

And yes, I'm stupid enough to try something like this. Why? Because an
Alger will always be an Alger. But, a Mark II regardless of condition will
always be a Mark II. That said, someone will likely pay far more for just
the trim and grill than I would for the whole car. So, another crazy dream
ended and a heavy sigh of relief exhibited from my wife. :-)

Tom
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Mail From: Cullen McCann <(email redacted)>

hehe....yes, someone will pay for the trim, the grill...and THE VIN
PLATE.......

why did he keep the last digits of the VIN a secret?...both in the verbiage
and the photo he covers it up with tape.....is that so if the future owner
does bring the car back no one will know the condition of the car from whence
it came?.....some other reason?




...........That said, someone will likely pay far more for just
the trim and grill than I would for the whole car. So, another crazy dream
ended and a heavy sigh of relief exhibited from my wife. :-)

Tom
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I believe the front grill surround picture is one of either an Alpine
part or Tiger 1A, not a MKll.

John Logan

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