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I saw pictures of that wreck, nothing left of the car ans woman driver severly injured...He had weathered tires , let his girlfreind drive it...when tire blew, she got in the median and turned sideways and iit rolle dseveral times, then hit an oncoming old pick up on a tow dolly...It stuck in my mind when I saw those pics...(a preminition maybe) when it happened to me, what flashed thru my mide was KEEP IT OUT OF THE GRASS!...I was headed for the median, jerked it across 3 lanes, then was headed (it kept wanting to go sideways) for the grass on the outside....jerked it straight with a hard brake and wheel....and it stopped on the shoulder...I was actually shaking...thought I was going to die...but love a tiger and still drive one....(no tire plugs tho)mike
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Mail From: Larry Paulick <(email redacted)>

Yes, and those were original tires if I remember. Frankly, that is just
asking for an accident.

Tires over 6 years old, are old tires, regardless of the tread left on
the tires.

So, $400 or so for a new set of tires vs a real problem.

Do you know how old your tires are, that is the production date molded
on the tire, not when your purchased it.

Larry

mike schreiner wrote:
> I saw pictures of that wreck, nothing left of the car ans woman driver severly injured...He had weathered tires , let his girlfreind drive it...when tire blew, she got in the median and turned sideways and iit rolle dseveral times, then hit an oncoming old pick up on a tow dolly...It stuck in my mind when I saw those pics...(a preminition maybe) when it happened to me, what flashed thru my mide was KEEP IT OUT OF THE GRASS!...I was headed for the median, jerked it across 3 lanes, then was headed (it kept wanting to go sideways) for the grass on the outside....jerked it straight with a hard brake and wheel....and it stopped on the shoulder...I was actually shaking...thought I was going to die...but love a tiger and still drive one....(no tire plugs tho)mike
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Mail From: David T Johnson <(email redacted)>

When my right front lower fulcrum pin broke, I was driving
with my iwfe and son on QE2 in Ontario at about 65-70.
Suddenly, Bam! The right front dropped and the car
swerved right. It took all I could to steer it straight.
It took both hands. As soon as I got it straight, it would
go back right. I remember mising a semi on the right
shoulder Finnaly the Tiger slowed enough that I could
take my left arm and pull the hand brake. The right
wheel had tilted in and was at a 45 degree angle in.

My family and I were very lucky. Though luck or driving
skill had only a little to do with it. I too shook when the
car stopped. On repair I found rack and pinion had many
deep marks where I kept forcing the car left.
I can still see that semi. Probably will forever.

That's why I have this thing about fulcrum pins.

Another example? My son was driving to the Brit Car
FEst not 1 mile from my house. He was at a light
ready to go up a ramp, when the right lower pin
snapped. One of the new 4140 super strong pins.
The Tiger took an immedaite right into the drivers
door of an Explorer and rolled it over. The car
bounced off and went down the on ramp into a
lamp post. Hit is dead center, knocked it over.
The car, spun around and landed in a ditch. The
Tiger was 'totalled' but my son wasn't hurt. I'm
just about done fixing my Tiger. This time
I'm putting on John Logan's fix. It should be
required for all Tiger owners.

Dave

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From: mike schreiner <(email redacted)>
Subject: [Tigers] Blow out
To: (email redacted)
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 1:30 AM


I saw pictures of that wreck, nothing left of the car ans woman driver severly
injured...He had weathered tires , let his girlfreind drive it...when tire
blew, she got in the median and turned sideways and iit rolle dseveral times,
then hit an oncoming old pick up on a tow dolly...It stuck in my mind when I
saw those pics...(a preminition maybe) when it happened to me, what flashed
thru my mide was KEEP IT OUT OF THE GRASS!...I was headed for the median,
jerked it across 3 lanes, then was headed (it kept wanting to go sideways) for
the grass on the outside....jerked it straight with a hard brake and
wheel....and it stopped on the shoulder...I was actually shaking...thought I
was going to die...but love a tiger and still drive one....(no tire plugs
tho)mike
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Mail From: David T Johnson <(email redacted)>

I agree. But where can you buy decent 13 in tires.
I'm looking for 185x70x13. I need 5 for me Pie Mags.
I have Firestone after intensive web searches.

Any suggestions will be gratefully accepted.

Dave

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From: Larry Paulick <(email redacted)>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Blow out
To: "mike schreiner" <(email redacted)>
Cc: (email redacted)
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 2:22 AM


Yes, and those were original tires if I remember. Frankly, that is just
asking for an accident.

Tires over 6 years old, are old tires, regardless of the tread left on the
tires.

So, $400 or so for a new set of tires vs a real problem.

Do you know how old your tires are, that is the production date molded on the
tire, not when your purchased it.

Larry

mike schreiner wrote:
> I saw pictures of that wreck, nothing left of the car ans woman driver
severly injured...He had weathered tires , let his girlfreind drive it...when
tire blew, she got in the median and turned sideways and iit rolle dseveral
times, then hit an oncoming old pick up on a tow dolly...It stuck in my mind
when I saw those pics...(a preminition maybe) when it happened to me, what
flashed thru my mide was KEEP IT OUT OF THE GRASS!...I was headed for the
median, jerked it across 3 lanes, then was headed (it kept wanting to go
sideways) for the grass on the outside....jerked it straight with a hard brake
and wheel....and it stopped on the shoulder...I was actually shaking...thought
I was going to die...but love a tiger and still drive one....(no tire plugs
tho)mike
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Mail From: Steve Laifman <(email redacted)>

Dave,

I purchased a set of Michelin X steel belt radial tires (185-70 R13) at
Costco. I believe these are specially made by Michelin for Costco.

It is a fine road tire, and grips well. Some experience on wet streets,
and none on snow/ice. I am positive that modern designs are better
performers, but they do not come in 13" sizes.

Here's some nice wheel pics, including mine with the Michelin's.

tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-wheel.asp

Steve

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David T Johnson wrote:
> I agree. But where can you buy decent 13 in tires.
> I'm looking for 185x70x13. I need 5 for me Pie Mags.
> I have Firestone after intensive web searches.
>
> Any suggestions will be gratefully accepted.
>
> Dave
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It was a good friend of mine who was the technical expert on the lawsuit the woman brought against the tire company (she lost). He said EVERYONE should know that five years is the max life of a tire....
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Mail From: Dave Munroe <(email redacted)>

Steve:

Thanks for the wheel pics.

I put 15" Minilites on my Tiger, with Yokohama 60's on the front and 50's on
the rear. Zero clearance problems. They look nice, and stick like glue to
the road.

However, there is a price to pay for the increased performance. They
severely stiffen up the ride, particularly over the bumps and potholes we
have to live with here in the east. I have Konis on all four corners, and
have worked my way back to full soft on the damping adjustment, and the ride
is still extremely uncomfortable on long trips over not-so-smooth roads.

The large sidewalls on the original 13" wheels provide a much more
compliant, "honey-in-the-other-seat-approved" ride.

I would advise anyone who plans to put new wheels on their car to consider
the use to which it will be put. If actually driving it on long trips with a
critical co-pilot is in the plans, choose accordingly.

Dave


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To: "David T Johnson" <(email redacted)>; "Tiger's Den"
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Blow out


> Dave,
>
> I purchased a set of Michelin X steel belt radial tires (185-70 R13) at
> Costco. I believe these are specially made by Michelin for Costco.
>
> It is a fine road tire, and grips well. Some experience on wet streets,
> and none on snow/ice. I am positive that modern designs are better
> performers, but they do not come in 13" sizes.
>
> Here's some nice wheel pics, including mine with the Michelin's.
>
> tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-wheel.asp
>
> Steve
>
> Steve Laifman
>
> Editor
>
> TigersUnited.com
>
>
>
> David T Johnson wrote:
>> I agree. But where can you buy decent 13 in tires.
>> I'm looking for 185x70x13. I need 5 for me Pie Mags.
>> I have Firestone after intensive web searches.
>>
>> Any suggestions will be gratefully accepted.
>>
>> Dave
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Mail From: "Smit, Theo" <(email redacted)>

Hi Dave,
My latest issue of Grassroots Motorsports (thanks Tim!) has an ad for Tire
Rack where they show the Sumitomo HTR200 in 175/70R-13 and 185/60R-13. They're
both a little shorter than your 185/70, but there ya go... They also have a
195/60R-13 which will be close to the 185/70 in diameter. They should still
mount up OK on the LAT9 wheels.

For wide and short 13 and 14's look at the Ventus Z214... if the car is being
driven little enough that the tires are going to age out before they wear out,
you might as well get some tires that you can have fun with.

Theo


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Mail From: Dave Munroe <(email redacted)>

Heh heh....!


Spoken like a man with experience.

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From: Dave Munroe <(email redacted)>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Blow out
To: "Steve Laifman" <(email redacted)>, "David T Johnson" <(email redacted)>, "Tiger's Den" <(email redacted)>
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 2:53 PM


Steve:

Thanks for the wheel pics.

I put 15" Minilites on my Tiger, with Yokohama 60's on the front and 50's on the rear. Zero clearance problems. They look nice, and stick like glue to the road.

However, there is a price to pay for the increased performance. They severely stiffen up the ride, particularly over the bumps and potholes we have to live with here in the east. I have Konis on all four corners, and have worked my way back to full soft on the damping adjustment, and the ride is still extremely uncomfortable on long trips over not-so-smooth roads.

The large sidewalls on the original 13" wheels provide a much more compliant, "honey-in-the-other-seat-approved" ride.

I would advise anyone who plans to put new wheels on their car to consider the use to which it will be put. If actually driving it on long trips with a critical co-pilot is in the plans, choose accordingly.

Dave
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From: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Blow out
To: (email redacted), "Larry Paulick" <(email redacted)>,
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Cc: (email redacted)
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 2:27 AM


Hate to bust your bubble, but you buddy is absolutely incorrect in that
assertion.
It all depends on how tires are stored and used.
That brownish stuff, btw, that you scrub off your tires to keep them nice and
black keeps uv from damaging them.
If you like, I can have my friend who is a tire engineer for a major
manufacturer re post what he said to the mg list a couple of years ago.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Subject: [Tigers] Blow out
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It was a good friend of mine who was the technical expert on the lawsuit the
woman brought against the tire company (she lost). He said EVERYONE should
know that five years is the max life of a tire....
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Everyone should do what Anthony Hopkins did in World's Fastest Indian
use black shoe polish to cover cracks and make the tire shine.
Dave

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Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 2:27 AM


Hate to bust your bubble, but you buddy is absolutely incorrect in that
assertion.
It all depends on how tires are stored and used.
That brownish stuff, btw, that you scrub off your tires to keep them nice and
black keeps uv from damaging them.
If you like, I can have my friend who is a tire engineer for a major
manufacturer re post what he said to the mg list a couple of years ago.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Subject: [Tigers] Blow out
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It was a good friend of mine who was the technical expert on the lawsuit the
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Yes, thanks--I'd like to read that.

Best Regards
David Sosna

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> Hate to bust your bubble, but you buddy is absolutely incorrect in that assertion.
> It all depends on how tires are stored and used.
> That brownish stuff, btw, that you scrub off your tires to keep them nice and black keeps uv from damaging them.
> If you like, I can have my friend who is a tire engineer for a major manufacturer re post what he said to the mg list a couple of years ago.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
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> Subject: [Tigers] Blow out
> To: "Larry Paulick" <(email redacted)>, <(email redacted)>, "mike schreiner" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
>
>
> It was a good friend of mine who was the technical expert on the lawsuit the woman brought against the tire company (she lost). He said EVERYONE should know that five years is the max life of a tire....
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Dave- that will work BUT only with KIWI shoe polish and Im not sure the older
type is avaiable these days as Made in the USA will be important when using
Kiwi to pass tire inspection. For anyone who has not seen thet movie I heavily
reccomend it. Based on a true story, Hopkins did a heck of job in the movie.
IF the real story was as good as his movie
is, then he was tough SOB riding that Indian. I would add he could fix
anything but the term I would use may get me called bad names.
TtT
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Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 10:54 AM







Everyone should do what Anthony Hopkins did in World's Fastest Indian
use black shoe polish to cover cracks and make the tire shine.
Dave

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Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 2:27 AM


Hate to bust your bubble, but you buddy is absolutely incorrect in that
assertion.
It all depends on how tires are stored and used.
That brownish stuff, btw, that you scrub off your tires to keep them nice and
black keeps uv from damaging them.
If you like, I can have my friend who is a tire engineer for a major
manufacturer re post what he said to the mg list a couple of years ago.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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It was a good friend of mine who was the technical expert on the lawsuit the
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I use Sumitomo 195-60 13 on the front and 205-60-13 on the rear. Modern
tire works fine for street use
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